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Friday May 27, 2022
#040 - Scott Sievwright - becoming a better leader
Friday May 27, 2022
Friday May 27, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson for a powerful conversation with Scott Seivwright on becoming a better leader. Leading the Agile 20 Reflect conference. Building community, co-creating a vision and principles, skeletons vs exoskeletons, dealing with conflict, angry fathers and controlling managers, letting go and sharing responsibility, the responsibility process, Johari window, Transactional analysis, five dysfunctions of a team, the courage to be open, non-violent communication, leaders vs managers, anthropology and alpha males, teams as systems, servant leadership, authoritarian psychopaths roll back agile, evolution favours agile organisations, soft systems analysis, imposter syndrome, humility, being a work in progress and open space.
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Friday May 20, 2022
#039 - Michael Kusters - defending SAFe
Friday May 20, 2022
Friday May 20, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson for a debate with Michael Kusters about the pros and cons of SAFe. The Scaled “Agile” Framework for enterprises. SAFe is taking over because executives like its detailed 3-month program plans, detailed processes, hierarchical organization, and comprehensive rollout plans. SAFe has been great at sales and marketing, and it provides a great way for consultants to make money. But is it agile? If not, what are its benefits? Should we leave the field for unscrupulous consultants making money out of SAFe, or should we try and make it work? Should we use SAFe as the door to introduce real agile patterns that help, or is it a lost cause because executives who want SAFe aren't aligned with agile values?
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Connect with Michael on LinkedIn or https://failfastmoveon.blogspot.com/, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday May 13, 2022
#038 - Dave Farley - continuous delivery
Friday May 13, 2022
Friday May 13, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Dave Farley on Continuous Delivery. Working in a way so that our software is always in a releasable state. Establishing fast, high quality feedback so that we can make decisions based on the reality of our customers needs and our systems state, rather than on guesses. The difference between CD, DevOps, Agile and XP. The business case for CD. Test Driven Development makes developers better. Three ways to safely deploy your code to trunk. Design on the assumptions that your wrong. Implementing CD.
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Connect with Dave on Twitter , https://www.davefarley.net/ or watch his Youtube videos https://www.youtube.com/c/ContinuousDelivery, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday May 06, 2022
#037 - Lisa Crispin - holistic testing
Friday May 06, 2022
Friday May 06, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Lisa Crispin on Holistic Testing. Build quality in. Continuous testing for continuous delivery. Building shared understanding of requirements. Shorten feedback loops. Moving from traditional testing to agile testing. Test automation. The test pyramid and agile testing quadrants. Business-facing tests with behavior-driven and acceptance test-driven techniques. High performing teams.
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Connect with Lisa via Linkedin or https://lisacrispin.com/ and https://agiletestingfellow.com/ , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Apr 29, 2022
#036 - Esther Derby - agile coaching
Friday Apr 29, 2022
Friday Apr 29, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Esther Derby on Agile Coaching, Agile Leadership, Culture and Continuous Improvement. Making work more humane. Successful coaches understand the context and the content. Taking responsibility for personal growth and business outcomes. Good leadership adds a lot of value. Influencing senior managers. Underlying extractive structural patterns reemerge. Agile Governance.
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Connect with Esther via Linkedin or www.estherderby.com , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Apr 22, 2022
#035 - Bas Vodde - LeSS
Friday Apr 22, 2022
Friday Apr 22, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Bas Vodde on LeSS. LeSS is true Scrum at Scale not just at the team level. LeSS applies the principles, purpose and elements of Scrum in a large-scale context, as simply as possible. Many scrum teams with one product, one product owner, one product backlog, one sprint, one sprint planning meeting, one sprint review and one retrospective. Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum. Empirical process control. Transparency. More with less. Whole-product focus. Customer-centric. Continuous improvement towards perfection. Systems thinking.
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Connect with Bas via Linkedin or https://less.works/ , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Saturday Apr 16, 2022
#034 - Jurgen Appelo - designing an agile organisation
Saturday Apr 16, 2022
Saturday Apr 16, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jurgen Appelo on how to design an organisation to support self management, continuous innovation and human experience. Jurgens unFix model supports gradual change, dynamic teams, and recognises that managers play an important role. The model is inspired by innovative companies including Haier and Tesla, various agile scaling frameworks, and books such as Team Topologies, Dynamic Reteaming, and Organization Design
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Friday Apr 08, 2022
#033 - Marty Cagan - empowered product teams
Friday Apr 08, 2022
Friday Apr 08, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Marty Cagan on Empowered Product Teams. Do discovery and delivery in one team. Discover problems worth solving, rapidly test prototypes and develop the best ideas using an agile approach. Low and high fidelity user experience prototypes, feasibility prototypes and data prototypes. Good leaders build highly aligned loosely coupled team, coach them and give them strategic problems to solve not requirements to build. Agile is great for delivery but the agile process police are killing product development.
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Friday Apr 01, 2022
#032 - Jason Yip - Agile @ Spotify
Friday Apr 01, 2022
Friday Apr 01, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jason Yip about Spotify. The Spotify approach works for Spotify, but it might not work for you. Develop your product strategy first, and then design your organisation to support it using team topologies. To succeed, you need unity of purpose, trust in people and playful growth. When you have alignment, you can give people autonomy and trust them to do the right thing. Design your architecture to enable autonomous teams. Define golden paths for teams and encourage them to experiment. Play drives innovation and growth. Don't outsource your strategic capabilities. Invest in highly skilled people who can explore and learn.
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Friday Mar 25, 2022
#031 - David Pereira - product leaders
Friday Mar 25, 2022
Friday Mar 25, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with David Pereira about Product Leaders. Successful Product Leaders don't write requirements; they define the problem, set a goal and empower the team to get the job done. Be curious about customers' problems but don't take their word on the solution. Constantly test your assumptions with prototypes. Get your ideas in front of a customer early. Start with low fidelity and only enhance it when it shows value. Focus on outcomes, not deliverables. Measure value with leading indicators not lagging ones. Empower your team to solve your customers problems better than anyone else
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