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This is No-Nonsense Agile Leadership, where we explore better ways to develop digital products and services. Join world-class experts for honest insights and practical advice to help you lead digital teams, products, and organisations clearly and confidently. Subscribe now to learn the best ideas in the field.
This is No-Nonsense Agile Leadership, where we explore better ways to develop digital products and services. Join world-class experts for honest insights and practical advice to help you lead digital teams, products, and organisations clearly and confidently. Subscribe now to learn the best ideas in the field.
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Apr 16, 2022
Apr 16, 2022
1hr 2 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jurgen Appelo on how to design an organisation to support self management, continuous innovation and human experience. Jurgens unFix model supports gradual change, dynamic teams, and recognises that managers play an important role. The model is inspired by innovative companies including Haier and Tesla, various agile scaling frameworks, and books such as Team Topologies, Dynamic Reteaming, and Organization Design
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Connect with Jurgen via Linkedin or https://unfix.work/ Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Apr 8, 2022
#033 - Marty Cagan - empowered product teams
Apr 8, 2022
Apr 8, 2022
49 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Marty Cagan on Empowered Product Teams. Do discovery and delivery in one team. Discover problems worth solving, rapidly test prototypes and develop the best ideas using an agile approach. Low and high fidelity user experience prototypes, feasibility prototypes and data prototypes. Good leaders build highly aligned loosely coupled team, coach them and give them strategic problems to solve not requirements to build. Agile is great for delivery but the agile process police are killing product development.
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Connect with Marty via Linkedin or https://svpg.com/articles/, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Apr 1, 2022
#032 - Jason Yip - Agile @ Spotify
Apr 1, 2022
Apr 1, 2022
44 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jason Yip about Spotify. The Spotify approach works for Spotify, but it might not work for you. Develop your product strategy first, and then design your organisation to support it using team topologies. To succeed, you need unity of purpose, trust in people and playful growth. When you have alignment, you can give people autonomy and trust them to do the right thing. Design your architecture to enable autonomous teams. Define golden paths for teams and encourage them to experiment. Play drives innovation and growth. Don't outsource your strategic capabilities. Invest in highly skilled people who can explore and learn.
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Connect with Jason via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Mar 25, 2022
#031 - David Pereira - product leaders
Mar 25, 2022
Mar 25, 2022
43 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with David Pereira about Product Leaders. Successful Product Leaders don't write requirements; they define the problem, set a goal and empower the team to get the job done. Be curious about customers' problems but don't take their word on the solution. Constantly test your assumptions with prototypes. Get your ideas in front of a customer early. Start with low fidelity and only enhance it when it shows value. Focus on outcomes, not deliverables. Measure value with leading indicators not lagging ones. Empower your team to solve your customers problems better than anyone else
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Connect with David via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Mar 18, 2022
#030 - Alidad Hamidi - systems thinking
Mar 18, 2022
Mar 18, 2022
48 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Alidad Hamidi about Systems Thinking. Systems Thinking is about understanding that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. It is the interactions between things that drive the outcome. For example, cutting costs locally often increases costs globally. One person's solution is often another person's problem. To solve the real problem, we need to bring people together to agree on the issue, the goal and the scope of the system. Then we need to keep asking why until we can create a model of how everything interacts. Then we can design a solution, try it out and see what happens to the system as a whole. As we are doing this, we need to look at the interactions between our system and other systems. And we need to look outside the agile community for ideas and solutions.
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Connect with Steve via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Mar 11, 2022
Mar 11, 2022
47 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Steve Tendon about Tameflow and the theory of constraints. If you can find the constraint preventing the organisation from achieving its goal and address it, you can make extraordinary improvements in performance. But sadly most improvement efforts fail because they don't address the constraint in the system. We talk about how to understand and address the constraint using the story of Herbie and the scout troop going for a hike. And what happens when you drive a group of jeeps through the jungle. We discuss the importance of unity of purpose, a community of trust and inspired leadership. And we talk about how we need to change leaders' mental models and psychological incentives to align with the goal.
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Connect with Steve via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Mar 4, 2022
#028 - Daniel Mezick - open leadership
Mar 4, 2022
Mar 4, 2022
58 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Daniel Mezick about open leadership. What motivates people and how to get great results in a group. Organizations are social games with goals, rules and players with different resources and decision rights. Most organizations are totalitarian dictatorships with a heavy management tax. Open organizations are much more effective at harnessing the talents of their people and resources. Harness peoples talents by giving them an attractive goal, clear boundaries, leadership support and the right to make decisions about their own work. Be generous, calm and support your people.
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Connect with Daniel via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Feb 25, 2022
Feb 25, 2022
41 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Scott Middleton about his article Agile is dead. McKinsey killed it. The Agile PMO. Agile as a cost out tool. Slathering the Agile word onto everything to sell services. Do big consulting companies really understand Agile? What about people and interactions over processes and tools. What about delivering value to customers early and often? Real agile still has a lot of value. Tailoring your agile approach and getting close to customers.
Read Scott's article https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/agile-dead-mckinsey-just-killed-scott-middleton/
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Connect with Scott via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Feb 18, 2022
Feb 18, 2022
46 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Tobias Mayer about self organization and servant leadership. Everyone can be a leader. Take responsibility. Be generous and humble. Stop demotivating people. Create an environment for people to be brilliant. Create a vision, define boundaries and get out of the way. Be a servant leader. Empowerment and anarchism. Servant leadership and Christianity. There's nothing better than having a good relationship with another human being. Help people step into their brilliance.
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Connect with Tobias via Linkedin , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Feb 11, 2022
Feb 11, 2022
50 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Maarten Dalmjin on Product Owners vs Product Managers. What are they, what's the difference between them and why does it matter? Why do we need a product manager if we have a product owner? Overwhelmed vs Absentee product owner. Supporting the Product Owner. Product discovery. The sprint bubble. The rift between product management and scrum. Rapid feedback loops. Getting close to the customer. Building the right thing. Dual track vs integrated design. Scaling product development. Anti patterns. Product Management is more than Scrum.
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Connect with Maarten via his website , Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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