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Friday Aug 12, 2022
#050 - Debbie Levitt - ux design
Friday Aug 12, 2022
Friday Aug 12, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about UX design with Debbie Levitt. UX Design is research based information architecture and interaction design that requires deep expertise. Most agile teams are feature factories that build things that don't satisfy customers. Product Managers and Engineers don't have the skills and experience required to do good UX Design. The democratisation, decentralisation and prototype first approach advocated by Lean Startup, Lean UX and Marty Cagan is garbage. Design Thinking is light weight rubbish that doesn't work. Agile doesn't work for Design. UX Design should be done by UX experts in a functional team of at least five that works alongside product and engineering in a tri track agile approach.
This interview is much longer than usual because Debbie asked us to do minimal editing to allow her to fully express her views.
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Connect with Debbie on LinkedIn or https://deltacx.com/links/
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Friday Jul 29, 2022
#049 - Tom Gilb - software metrics
Friday Jul 29, 2022
Friday Jul 29, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Software Metrics with Tom Gilb. Tom Gilb inspired the authors of the Agile manifesto with his innovative incremental and scientific approach to Software Engineering. In this podcast we talk about Evo and Value Agile. Defining your scope with objectives and success metrics. How to measure anything. Why feature backlogs are a waste of time. Being laser focused on outcomes. How to deliver as much value as possible in the time and budget available.
Tom has kindly offered free access to podcast listeners to a raft of his books. Find a list of download links here:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/software-metrics/
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Connect with Tom on LinkedIn or https://www.gilb.com/blog.
Contact Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Jul 22, 2022
#048 - Todd Lankford - agile anti patterns
Friday Jul 22, 2022
Friday Jul 22, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about agile anti patterns with Todd Lankford. Patterns are common solutions to common problems. They may be good, bad or neutral. Agile anti patterns are solutions that make it harder for agile teams to achieve the goal. The top anti patterns are: unrealistic arbitrary deadlines, functional silos and managers who dont listen to or support their teams. Other anti patterns. Pattern languages and pattern libraries.
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Connect with Todd on LinkedIn or https://coachlankford.com/
https://ktlankford.medium.com/, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Jul 15, 2022
#047 - Erik de Bos - agile as a paradigm shift
Friday Jul 15, 2022
Friday Jul 15, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Agile as a paradigm shift with Erik de Bos. Most organisations are slow moving bureaucracies defined by authoritarian hierarchies, rules and contracts. Agile is a completely new way of thinking and a new vocabulary which makes new concepts and information available. Agile is part of a broader social movement that's about workplace democracy, experimentation, change, empowerment, decentralisation and local ownership that is changing how our society works for the better. Its an evolution that produces organisations that are fast, flexible and lean. And in an uncertain and rapidly changing international world nimble organizations are far more likely to survive and grow than traditional bureaucracies.
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Connect with Erik on LinkedIn or https://medium.com/@bosskieman, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Jul 08, 2022
#046 - Team skills vs roles
Friday Jul 08, 2022
Friday Jul 08, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about effective agile product teams. Business people and technical people work together daily in one long-lasting customer-focused team. Roles vs Skills. The power of words. Do titles create hierarchy and functional silos within the team? T-shaped people. Should everyone be a developer? Are specialised rol
eavyweight waterfall process. And how innovation is happening outside the traditional agile bubble. And lastly, we talk about agile leadership. If you're interested in getting to the heart of agile and exploring business agility. This is a conversation you don't want to miss.
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Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/team-skills-vs-roles/#read
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Friday Jul 01, 2022
#045 - Staffan Noetberg - agile and flow
Friday Jul 01, 2022
Friday Jul 01, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Staffan Noteberg about Agile and Flow. Agile is about adapting to unexpected change. Coaches should be practitioners. Speed up your feedback loop. Set the goal and let the team get on with it. Monotasking. Set up the environment to reduce interruptions. Start small, get things working and scale out. The problem with SAFE. We need to focus more on the interactions between people. Informal networks resolve dependencies faster. Use tools to build your network while working remotely.
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Friday Jun 24, 2022
#044 - Mary and Tom Poppendieck - lean software development
Friday Jun 24, 2022
Friday Jun 24, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mary and Tom Poppendieck about Lean and Software Development. Organizations have queues because they don't care about the customer. The three rules of lean, customer focus, flow and highly efficient expert teams. Scale your organization like a micro services architecture. Its not about doing the work right its about doing the right work. Don't focus on utilization focus on the value we provide. Don't copy practices copy the principles behind the practices. Don't centralize processes. Set goals and let teams develop their own processes.
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Connect with Mary and Tom @ http://www.poppendieck.com/ or leanessays.com, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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Friday Jun 17, 2022
#043 - Bruce Taylor - working with offshore teams
Friday Jun 17, 2022
Friday Jun 17, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Bruce Taylor about working with offshore teams in developing countries. Why do people send their work offshore? Cost or talent? Is it cheaper to send work offshore or not? Outsourcing projects or augmenting the team. How to recruit the right people in a developing country. How does Agile work with people who have been brought up in a very hierarchical culture? Pairing and site visits are a powerful way to improve trust, knowledge and collaboration. Retaining team members. Scrum vs Flow for remote working. What do you do when you're working with a hierarchical supplier With offshore managers who hide what's going on and technical teams who want very detailed requirements and technical designs? The value of diverse perspectives.
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Connect with Bruce on LinkedIn, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
Read Bruce's article at https://medium.com/@rooosterboy/offshoring-agile-software-development-in-asia-be765d5461c2
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Friday Jun 10, 2022
#042 - Kyle Griffin - uncertainty, complexity and change
Friday Jun 10, 2022
Friday Jun 10, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Kyle Griffin about uncertainty, complexity and change. Our requirements are probably wrong. So show people and build small bets. Our plan is likely to be wrong. So let's do things to mitigate our plan, being wrong. Our estimates are going to be wrong. So don't rely heavily on the estimates being right. Our code's going to be wrong. So design your code to be easy to change. Agile is good because at its core Agile is a system for dealing with uncertainty effectively.
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Friday Jun 03, 2022
#041 - Raj Nagappan - agile 2
Friday Jun 03, 2022
Friday Jun 03, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson for a conversation with Raj Nagappan on using Agile 2 to create awesome products. The early Agile movement was a rebellion against traditional command and control waterfall development that was failing everyone. Agile is a very important paradigm shift that has led to great improvements but it hasn't evolved as we have learnt more. Agile 2 is an evolution of Agile that brings it up to date with a focus on Thoughtfulness and prescription.; Outcomes and outputs.; Individuals and teams.; Business understanding and technical understanding.; Individual empowerment and good leadership; Adaptability and planning.
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Connect with Raj on LinkedIn or read about agile 2 @ https://agile2.net/, Murray via email or Shane in the Twitter-sphere @shagility.
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