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Friday Feb 03, 2023
#0070 - Al Shalloway - Pattern Libraries for knowledge work
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Friday Feb 03, 2023
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they talk with Al Shalloway about Amplio and the movement back to pattern libraries to improve knowledge work. As lean and agile have become commercialised they've become rigid, bureaucratic frameworks that disempower teams and prevent us from improving. Pattern libraries set us free. When we learn patterns like the concept of bottlenecks we are able to see things in our world that we couldn't see before
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Monday Jan 23, 2023
#0069 - Jim Benson - Kanban and the Collaboration Equation
Monday Jan 23, 2023
Monday Jan 23, 2023
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they talk with Jim Benson, author of personal Kanban, about his new book, the collaboration equation. Jim describes how Kanban allows teams to focus and see bottlenecks so they can resolve them. He explains how organizations starve people of information, safety and purpose and describes how to build collaborative systems that give people the information they need to make better decisions which will in turn, make their companies much more effective, innovative, and resilient.
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Saturday Jan 14, 2023
#0068 - agile innovation
Saturday Jan 14, 2023
Saturday Jan 14, 2023
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat about their experience with start ups and scale-ups venture capitalists and corporate innovation. We talk about manager's fear of innovation, innovation theatre, and some models that organisations could use to be far more innovative than they are now.
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Sunday Jan 08, 2023
#0067 - Eric Lopez - mission command
Sunday Jan 08, 2023
Sunday Jan 08, 2023
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss mission command with Eric Lopez, a management consultant, CEO and retired US Army Colonel who commanded troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Eric explains how mission command allows leaders to decentralize tactical decisions so that people on the ground can take initiative to achieve the mission in a volatile and uncertain environment. Mission command helps leaders become much more agile in a rapidly changing world.
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Connect with Eric on LinkedIn or at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDNvnmQ05c
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Saturday Dec 31, 2022
#0066 - Teresa Torres - continuous discovery.
Saturday Dec 31, 2022
Saturday Dec 31, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Teresa Torres, a product coach, speaker, and author of continuous discovery habits. She explains how product managers, designers, and software engineers can use continuous discovery to ensure that they're building the right product and continuously improving it over time. In this interview, you'll learn to balance action with research so that you can get started without being blindsided by what you don't get right. If you want to discover products that customers love that deliver valuable business results. Then this interview is for you.
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Connect with Teressa on LinkedIn or at https://producttalk.org/
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Saturday Dec 17, 2022
#0065 - Dan Olsen - the lean product development playbook
Saturday Dec 17, 2022
Saturday Dec 17, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Dan Olson, author of the lean product development playbook. A practical guide to building products that customers love. Most new products fail on most new features are rarely used. Dan describes a practical six step process to improve your chances of building successful products.
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Friday Dec 09, 2022
#0064 - Anabela Cesario - ProductOps
Friday Dec 09, 2022
Friday Dec 09, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Anabela Cesário VP of product ops at OutSystems, a low code development platform. Anabela describes what product ops is and how her team mentors, coaches, supports and trains 25 product managers. From setting up the product board tool to training people in continuous discovery, providing standard data for product reporting and managing the company's strategic product planning and reporting process.
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Friday Dec 02, 2022
#0063 - Jonathan Hall - implementing continuous delivery
Friday Dec 02, 2022
Friday Dec 02, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jonathan Hall about implementing Continuous Delivery. CI/CD requires a level of test automation that seems impossible for most organisations. Jonathan describes a practical implementation path to CI/CD that everyone can do. Start by changing the role of QA to focus on pairing with developers to write good automated tests. Automate tests for all of your code changes, bug fixes and change regression testing. Automate your deployment and rollback tests. Test your changes one at a time against a fresh copy of production. Fix all defects and broken tests immediately. This will allow you to move to full CI/CD over time. And that will allow you to learn and produce results much faster and more efficiently.
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Thursday Nov 24, 2022
#0062 - Jeff Gothelf - lean ux and sense and respond
Thursday Nov 24, 2022
Thursday Nov 24, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jeff Gothelf about Lean UX and Sense and Respond. Lean UX explains how to do UX design and product development in a highly agile way. The core of Lean UX is the canvas, a facilitation tool for collaboratively collecting and testing product hypotheses. The key output is a prioritised backlog of discovery experiments. Sense and respond is a management book that explains how to organise and support agile product teams and encourage agile product and UX design thinking. It explains how to continuously research, design and development to maximise learning and value. Dual Track means that one team with one backlog does research, design and delivery work simultaneously with the same team in the same iteration. A lot of discovery stories should result in no further development. Higher-level planning should be done with outcome-focused product roadmaps, not lists of features. Outcomes, not outputs. Collaboration, not authority. Continuous discovery, not upfront design. Cross-functional product teams, not specialised research and design functions.
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Friday Nov 18, 2022
#0061 - Adam Thomas - product survival metrics
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Adam Thomas about Product Survival Metrics. Empower the product team to make decisions quickly in uncertain situations by negotiating clear boundaries for the product team. Negotiate boundaries with stakeholders early. Use data to track your progress. When your heading towards a boundary make decisions to stop, pivot or invest. Product development is not a linear path. Agile product development is not a methodology that you buy it's a way of working that you find. Use decision journals to document and review decisions.
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