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Friday May 03, 2024
#0101 - The Vanguard Method with Ibrar Hussain
Friday May 03, 2024
Friday May 03, 2024
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Connect with Ibbi via LinkedIn or over at https://beyondcommandandcontrol.com/
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https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-vanguard-method-with-ibrar-hussain/#read
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Friday Apr 19, 2024
#0100 - A retrospective
Friday Apr 19, 2024
Friday Apr 19, 2024
Welcome to our 100th episode.
In this episode, we talk about what we've learnt from our guests about agile, product development and leadership. We discuss what the podcast is about and why we started it. We unpack our critical take on fake agile and discuss agile leadership and product development. Join us as we take a deep dive into the insights, experiences and conversations that have shaped our podcast ovr the last 99 episodes. And here's to another hundred episodes of cutting through the nonsense and bringing you the advice you need to succeed.
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Friday Apr 05, 2024
#0099 - Business Agility with Evan Leybourn
Friday Apr 05, 2024
Friday Apr 05, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Evan Leybourn from the Business Agility Institute about business agility. We discuss how to define and measure business agility, examples of agile organisations, and the struggle with traditional bureaucratic models. We delve into the different types of leadership, the nature of internal cultural and political changes, and the challenges faced by organisations in adopting and implementing agility.
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https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/business-agility-with-evan-leybourn/#read
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Friday Mar 22, 2024
#0098 - Innovation and disaster with Ron Westrum
Friday Mar 22, 2024
Friday Mar 22, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Ron Westrum about how organisational culture drives innovation and disaster. We discuss generative, bureaucratic and pathological cultures, using real-world examples from NASA, Boeing and others. This episode highlights the importance of leadership integrity, openness, honesty, the free flow of information, and a mission-focused approach to achieving organisational goals. Listen for insights on identifying and promoting a generative culture, dealing with bad news, the role of technical maestros, and much more.
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Connect with Ron via LinkedIn or over at https://itrevolution.com/articles/westrums-organizational-model-in-tech-orgs/
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Friday Mar 08, 2024
#0097 - Unmanaged with Jack Skeels
Friday Mar 08, 2024
Friday Mar 08, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jack Skeels about agile for digital and marketing agencies.
Jack advocates for reducing the managerial overhead in organisations to promote productivity and improve communication. We discuss common hurdles in agile implementations. The value of a manager as a sports coach. The importance of scoping the work. Over managing and how real change must start from the top. This episode is full of practical advice and critical insights into organisation dynamics. This conversation is especially useful for those seeking to implement agile in a more holistic, efficient, and outcome oriented way in a service provider.
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https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/unmanaged-with-jack-skeels/#read
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Friday Feb 23, 2024
#0096 - OKR's with Adrian Howard
Friday Feb 23, 2024
Friday Feb 23, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss objectives and key results with Adrian Howard.
Adrian explains how OKR's can be used as a strategic instrument for aligning goals within your organisation. We walk through common pitfalls and misconceptions emphasizing the importance of using OKR's focused on outcomes rather than outputs. We discuss the potential for using OKR's with vendors. The idea of paired metrics. And how OKR's can serve as indicators of underlying problems within your organisations culture and structure.
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Connect with Adrian via LinkedIn or over at https://quietstars.com/lax2020/
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https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/okrs-with-adrian-howard/#read
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Friday Feb 09, 2024
#0095 - The Heart of Agile - Mike Leber
Friday Feb 09, 2024
Friday Feb 09, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as discuss business agility and the heart of agile with Mike Leber.
We talk about how the heart of agile liberates you from rigid process frameworks by focusing on collaboration, delivery reflection and improvement. We talk about how the agile industrial complex has turned agile into a heavyweight waterfall process. And how innovation is happening outside the traditional agile bubble. And lastly, we talk about agile leadership. If you're interested in getting to the heart of agile and exploring business agility. This is a conversation you don't want to miss.
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https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-heart-of-agile-with-mike-leber/#read
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Friday Jan 26, 2024
#0094 - The state of product management - Jason Knight
Friday Jan 26, 2024
Friday Jan 26, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jason Knight on the state of product management.
Jason shares his insights and experiences on the responsibilities of a product manager, the evolving nature of the role. Differentiating buyer and user features the importance of testing and validating ideas. Supporting cross-functional teams and fostering a mindset of continuous improvement. Jason shares insights from his experiences and discussions with thought leaders and provides advice for those navigating the product management field.
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Friday Jan 19, 2024
#0093 - Dysfunction Mapping - Michael Lloyd
Friday Jan 19, 2024
Friday Jan 19, 2024
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Michael Lloyd about dysfunction mapping.
Whether you are new to the agile world or a seasoned professional, you'll find valuable insights as we delve into understanding team dynamics, honing the coaching process. And the essential principle of iterative hypothesis testing. Join us as we learned the power of mapping dysfunctions to unveil powerful solutions in agile environments.
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/dysfunction-mapping-with-michael-lloyd/#read
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Saturday Dec 23, 2023
#0092 - Developing digital products in China - Bianca Grizhar
Saturday Dec 23, 2023
Saturday Dec 23, 2023
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they as they chat with Bianca Grizhar about developing digital products in China. We discuss the cultural differences between Germany and China, and how Scrum improved team collaboration. We talk about the benefits of working directly with people offshore in cross functional, cross organisational teams. Whether you're a product manager or a developer, this episode is packed with practical advice that will help you work more successfully with your offshore teams.
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
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Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss the Vanguard method with Ibbi Hussain, one of the founding architects of this revolutionary approach to organisation change. Ibi describes how the Vanguard method uses systems thinking, service design, and occupational psychology to make profound improvements to call center performance. Join us as we navigate through the philosophy of change, the importance of leadership. And practical insights into implementing sustainable improvement within organisations.