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This is No-Nonsense Agile Leadership, where we explore better ways to develop digital products and services. Join world-class experts for honest insights and practical advice to help you lead digital teams, products, and organisations clearly and confidently. Subscribe now to learn the best ideas in the field.
This is No-Nonsense Agile Leadership, where we explore better ways to develop digital products and services. Join world-class experts for honest insights and practical advice to help you lead digital teams, products, and organisations clearly and confidently. Subscribe now to learn the best ideas in the field.
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Dec 20, 2024
#0115 - Executive influence with Rich Mironov
Dec 20, 2024
Dec 20, 2024
49 min
In this episode, we talk to Rich Mironov about increasing your influence with executives. We discuss organisational politics and explain how power, stories and alliances are crucial in shaping company dynamics. Rich describes the disconnect between business and technical teams and the importance of expressing arguments in the language of money. He also provides strategies for product leaders to succeed, stressing the need for demonstrating and selling achievements. Join us to learn how to navigate corporate politics and enhance your influence within executive circles.
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Dec 9, 2024
Dec 9, 2024
47 min
In this episode, John Cutler talks about surviving the current tech environment. We discuss how layoffs and blame destroy trust, create fear and conflict and stop people from providing the feedback that leaders need to make good decisions. We discuss whether our workplaces are a meritocracy or highly charged political environments. And we explore survival strategies such as going with the flow, picking your battles, building alliances and creating narratives. Join us to learn how to navigate corporate politics more effectively.
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Nov 29, 2024
#0113 - Donna replaces Shane as co-host
Nov 29, 2024
Nov 29, 2024
11 min
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Nov 22, 2024
Nov 22, 2024
50 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Joanna Rothman about agile project management.
We critique fake corporate agile and discuss the drawbacks of offshoring your development work. We talk about the importance of continuous feedback, continuous delivery and cross-functional teams and we discuss project charters, budgets, scaling, and the need to focus on outcomes rather than deliverables.
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Sep 27, 2024
#0111 - The crisis in agile with Jurgen Appelo
Sep 27, 2024
Sep 27, 2024
34 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jurgen Appelo about the crisis in the agile community.
We explore how the agile job market has changed with diminishing roles for agile coaches and scrum masters. And we discuss what people can do now that the agile consulting and training gold rush is over. We talk about the poor quality of agile practices in organizations claiming to have done agile. And the need to improve further, to get the benefits available. And we talk about the evolution and rebranding of agile practices and the impact of AI on the industry.
Gain valuable insights into the future of agile, the importance of adapting to change and strategies for sustaining relevance in a shifting market.
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Connect with Jurgen via LinkedIn or over at https://unfix.work/
Contact Shane on LinkedIn shagility or Murray via email
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-crisis-in-agile-with-jurgen-appelo/#read
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Sep 12, 2024
#0110 - The Haier model with William Malek
Sep 12, 2024
Sep 12, 2024
42 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with William Malek about the Haier operating model. Haier, a Chinese appliance giant, transitioned from a failing state-owned enterprise to a highly profitable publicly owned organisation with over 5,700 micro enterprises and $50 billion in revenue.
We explain how Haier uses an internal marketplace to allow microenterprises to trade goods and services with each other, based on a value added mechanism and smart contracts. An approach based on the philosophy of RenDanHeYi, where managers release control and support teams to achieve their potential to create valuable solutions within an open environment.
William makes a compelling case for the benefits of a decentralized agile organizational model in driving high innovation and performance.
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Connect with William via LinkedIn or over at http://microteams.net/ or at https://www.desirablefutures.group/
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-haier-model-with-william-malek/#read
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Aug 30, 2024
Aug 30, 2024
42 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Steve Spear, author of a High Velocity Edge, Wiring the Winning Organization and Decoding the DNA of the Toyota Production System.
We discuss how good leaders create a system that makes it easy for people to do quality work when and where it's needed by continually asking, what's the problem and how can I help?
Steve explains how to use a developmental leadership approach with collaborative problem solving, workflow visualization and iterative improvement to become a high performing organization with an unbeatable competitive edge.
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Connect with Steve via LinkedIn or over at https://seetosolve.com/ or at https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/academic-groups/system-dynamics/about-us
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Aug 16, 2024
Aug 16, 2024
45 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Gene Kim, leader of the Enterprise Technology Leadership Conference and author of the Phoenix and Unicorn Projects.
Gene describes how DevOps research shows that excellent socio-technical leadership is critical to team success and failure. He explains how technical leaders can dramatically increase team effectiveness by improving the organisational architecture and wiring to support independence of action, rapid feedback and simplification while maintaining stability and security.
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Connect with gene via LinkedIn or over at https://itrevolution.com/product/enterprise-technology-leadership-summit-las-vegas-2024/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/wiring-the-winning-organisation-with-gene-kim/
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Aug 2, 2024
Aug 2, 2024
46 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Arnold Stroobach about the Buurtzorg organization, which decentralized its management and administration to small cross-functional self-managed teams that deliver in-home medical care.
Buurtzorg is the Netherlands largest provider of home care with 16,000 clinical staff in more than 1500 local self-managing teams supported by only 50 admin people and 45 coaches at the company's headquarters. Buurtzorg's model allows the organization to deliver health care at 40% less than traditional service providers with much better health outcomes and client satisfaction.
Arnold explains Buurtzorg's origins methods, and success. Their team structure, responsibilities and roles. And the potential for other organizations to decentralize management to deliver services much more efficiently and effectively at scale.
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Connect with Chris via LinkedIn or over at https://www.svpg.com
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/the-buurtzorg-model-with-arnold-stroobach/
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Jul 19, 2024
Jul 19, 2024
41 min
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Chris Jones from the Silicon Valley Product Group about the product operating model, emphasising the importance of cross-functional agile product teams.
He shares insights on transitioning to a product model. The value of rapid experimentation, product leadership and common pitfalls. And he discusses successful examples of product transformations at Adobe Cloud and Train Line in Europe.
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Connect with Chris via LinkedIn or over at https://www.svpg.com
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/transforming-to-the-product-model-with-chris-jones/#read
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In this episode, we announce Shane Gibson's departure and introduce Donna Spencer as our new co-host. Donna describes her experience as a product designer and user experience researcher. Shane reflects on what he's learned about agile, product development, and leadership from over a hundred interviews with international experts. Murray discusses the podcast's commitment to delivering deep, pragmatic, and valuable insights on agile product development and leadership while avoiding shallow, rambling, and self-promotional content.